Another company that we talked about on this show before, and a firm, I think John Maxfield and I did show a little while back when we went through a firm's S-1, and there was just an interesting data point in there that really spoke to how consumers view the state of finance today. That sentiment rises to 81% for Americans aged between 18 and 34 years. The financial landscape is changing. We’re stewarding a richer future for all by building private market product & service solutions to help fuel a thriving innovation economy. You have some opinions on the matter. That could be a big part of the story, just the increased technology umbrella that they have. SoFi is not yet publicly traded, but there is a way to claim a piece of this exciting company’s innovation and growth potential before any IPO. Pre-IPO shares … Moser: [laughs] Yeah, it seems that way every week for you. From Joining me this week, it's my man, [laughs] Certified Financial Planner, Matt Frankel. It made sense. 82% of millennials have no issue with switching banks. But for the time being, it's not a stored value. Frankel: That's a big motivation. Now, with that said, this is also a business that actually has recorded -- I can't believe it -- positive net income, this thing is actually profitable? This is his fifth SPAC. That seems to be the case. If someone else figures out how to address that market equally well or better, then you could see a lot of competition risks. By combining it with an already public company, it makes it easier for some of these companies to go public. I think we've homed in on one there in artificial intelligence, and using data to make decisions. I get why they see a big use case at it, I really do. At the present moment, it is possible to invest in SoFi for as little as $25,000 if you are accredited. The new CEO, Charlie Scharf, has prioritized expense reduction, saying he wants to cut I think $10 billion of expenses off the bank. I don't see widespread adoption happening. I just don't know enough about bitcoin to really even care. To catch full episodes of all The Motley Fool's free podcasts, check out our podcast center. They partner with banks. That's really not that much time. With contactless payments I can pay by just tapping my phone on something. But I don't see it translating to widespread mainstream adoption anytime in the next decade or more. I actually mined about 12 coins in total back in the 2012-2013 time frame. But I still don't see the benefit to converting my U.S. dollars to bitcoin to be able to use them on PayPal when I can just take my U.S. dollars and use them on PayPal. [laughs] But I got to believe the biggest risk, it's not just valuation, it's got to maintain its growth, and there's a huge element of competition risk in this space. While many have never heard of Social Finance or SoFi, it’s valued at $8 Billion USD which puts it not exactly at the bottom of the list. As the name implies, the special type of company [laughs] that it's formed for one reason, to acquire a private business and take it public. And of course, soon Robinhood itself will go public, now only being offered in the pre ipo markets. The last time we heard from Wells Fargo was the third quarter when the pandemic had not subsided, but it was definitely at a low. I just leave it at that. You said about a 16% stake. So far, like you said, 75% reduction in loss ratios, it looks like it's working so far so that [laughs] technology is really that good. SoFi, including $2.4 billion of new capital, is about $8.65 billion. A company that goes through the IPO … Moser: Yeah, I've never been self employed, but I worked at Bank of America for a couple of years, and I was a loan officer there. Frankel: That's not going to prevent a Reddit thread from popping up. [laughs] Maybe that's a little bitterness coming through. Moser: Well, definitely one will enjoy following and covering here on the show for sure it's right up our alley. It probably deserves its own hour. I know what I don't know. I'm not saying there is not a use case. At the present moment, it is possible to invest in SoFi … It has a limited amount, and you can't make anymore. Game on! As always, people on the program may have interest in the stocks they talk about and The Motley Fool may have formal recommendations for or against, so don't buy your or sell stocks based solely on what you hear. Sign up today to learn more about SoFi stock. What else stands out to you about this business that makes it special? Let's go ahead and start through with Upstart. Moser: Yeah. Frankel: Bitcoin's been around for a decade now. Their revenue grew 44% in 2020, which I wouldn't expect a lender to grow that much in 2020. This is unusual, as retail investors typically don’t get allocated pre-IPO shares, and instead must get into markets on the first-day trading rush (at inflated prices). I think you make a lot of good points there and I'm sure there are folks out there who would take the other side of the coin, so to speak. They're up 84% since day one, which is four weeks ago. I understand the utility of it. We've got another company looking to IPO here very soon in SoFi. For Matt Frankel, I'm Jason Moser. SoFi will go public via a SPAC … Open a commission free trading account at www.levelx.com – Level the playing field, Accredited investors can open a Pre IPO investment account at https://www.levelx.com/pre-ipo. Another name for SPAC is a "blank check company." Returns as of 01/21/2021. I'm going to stick with that as my one to watch because they report their earnings on Friday, which is the first day of bank earnings. BEFORE VIEWING ITS CONTENTS YOU MUST SELF-CERTIFY YOURSELF AS AN ACCREDITED INVESTOR. When we get to SoFi, you'll see there are in a bunch of different types of financial businesses. And while banking will likely always exist in some fashion, they may be in the process of killing conventional financial institutions, with branches and physical locations potentially on their way out. It's a $1 billion-dollar SPAC that is still looking for its acquisition target. NOTICE: THIS WEBSITE IS FOR ACCREDITED INVESTORS ONLY. It's really gone beyond just banks, and it's more about tech companies partnering with banks. The unemployment benefits, in a lot of cases, were still going onto the third quarter, for example. They were founded by former Google [Alphabet] people, if that helps. Frankel: My pick last week was Wells Fargo. Then it will be interesting to see how the Robinhood traders ebb and flow the market cap of their own trading platform, in real time. Moser: Yeah, it can be, and certainly it does seem like this is another business with, I don't want to say founders leading the way is necessarily competitive advantage, but it's certainly a sign that leadership is in the same boat as investors. Thanks as always to Tim Sparks for putting the show together for us. Founded in 1993 by brothers Tom and David Gardner, The Motley Fool helps millions of people attain financial freedom through our website, podcasts, books, newspaper column, radio show, and premium investing services. Frankel: That's not a lot of penetration into the market. Much of that growth, rising from 10 million at the start of 2020, has been fueled by the coronavirus pandemic as millennials have increasingly seen opportunity in the beaten-down stock market. Now that companies like Palantir, Airbnb, and many others have filed for IPO; investors are looking further down the line at companies like SoFi that may eye an IPO at some point in the near future. Moser: [laughs] Money makes people do a lot of things. My colleague, Sean Williams, has an article on fool.com right now that points out it would just take a majority of the bitcoin community to agree to raise that. No, I won't do that. Moser: Well, Matt, speaking of fintech and banking of the future and all that jazz, we've seen over the past 24 hours, we don't get into bitcoin very often on this show. Let's pivot over to another business that plays, it seems, in the same sandbox, maybe a little bit of a different focus there on who they are lending to, but we're looking at SoFi, Social Finance, also known as SoFi, looking to go public here possibly soon through the SPAC vehicle. The growth of Robinhood has been a testament to this trend: Stock trading app Robinhood has revealed recently surpassed the 13 million active users mark. It's been pretty well known. SoFi has a reputation of staying hip with the millenials offering services like student loans, fractional share ownership, mortgages, and Crypto. Moser: I think that's probably right. I mean, you could make the argument that PayPal and Square are onboard with bitcoin and PayPal has said that it wants to make bitcoin usable at its merchants. You can still buy that one pre-deal. For one reason, may people now trading from home will simply get addicted to the habit of what many day traders have known for years. DraftKings was a big one last year, Nikola was a SPAC IPO, Opendoor was a very recent SPAC IPO. The initial public offering (IPO) market overcame a lightning-quick bear market in 2020 to bounce back to levels not seen since the dot-com boom. Not earning, it's 20 times sales. Or you can drop us an email at MFindustryfocus@fool.com. I mean, a majority consensus is why we have things like bitcoin cash, the offshoot cryptocurrency. But as you mentioned, that can be a real source of capital, which is their business. It's been around for a little while, and it's interesting to see how these businesses evolved because it really started out as an alumni funded lending model that ultimately it was just helping students and graduates deal with student loans. Frankel: But I am in the self-employed group. They operate in the grey area of companies that are not institutions themselves but offer institutional services, like Lendingtree. Maybe it is. I mean, I'm not interested in that.[laughs]. I want to see any commentary toward when that might start to happen and to what extent. I mentioned Upstart's trading at about 20 times revenue, so far it's trading at about eight times revenue and that's including about $2.4 billion in cash. Moser: I guess. If bitcoin is getting too expensive and still valuable, people can just use a different one. Moser: Yeah. I'd call it the mid-level credit, like the people with fair credit that all the other companies are overlooking, and they tried to do that area of the market better than everyone else. Then that's a big competitive advantage all by itself. It was a really fun conversation. They use their algorithms to find creditworthy borrowers that the system has overworked, and partners with banks who make the actual loans, and Upstart gets a referral fee for its services. Frankel: There's a reason that there's over $100 billion in the second largest cryptocurrency. Branchless banking and decentralized finance? Companies like LevelX are competing with Robinhood to offer the same thing only better, more fair, and faster. Upstart as a personal lender, unlike most of these Fintechs, their main premise is that traditional banks either are not convenient enough, or just don't serve the population well enough, and they aim to solve that problem. Now, it's easier than ever to switch from one currency to another. Moser: Yeah, I agree. You can spend bitcoin at about 2,300 merchants right now. We've talked about it here in there, a company called Xoom, X-O-O-M, not Zoom Video, but X-O-O-M, which is a financial remittance company that PayPal ultimately acquired. Stay up to date on the latest stock price, chart, news, analysis, fundamentals, trading and investment tools. Private Equity “Pre IPO” – Investing in companies before they go public Private Equity is an asset class which involves unregistered securities. It's because the valuation is lower than a lot of people thought so far it would end up going public for. Upstart's not a bank itself like a lot of these fintechs. The idea is that it simplifies the traditional process of IPOs, the IPO roadshow, the need to hire new underwriters, things like that. Online lender SoFi let employees sell 20 percent of vested shares in a $337 million offering that gives the company some breathing room before an IPO. Social Finance, Inc. is an American online personal finance company. But it just showed me really even back then, the power of using that data in order to assess risk better. It's a volatile day when the U.S. dollar moves by 1% in either direction against say, the euro. Generally their edge is they offer reduction and fees vs. your behemoth Wall St. banks that get off on charging huge fees. I don't need actual U.S. dollars to pay in U.S. dollars anymore. It's not really what we cover here, but by the same token, we've seen bitcoin pull back considerably here over the last 24 hours. It's not a no-risk investment and it's really priced for a lot to go right in the next couple of years. The things I'm watching are the default rate. 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